Trying to figure out motorcycle culture as an old person is funny and kind of meta. I think I am a 650cc guy? KLR650, NT650. Maybe I am looking for patterns in the wrong places.

Ultimately I think I like the bikes that were ridden by people I thought were cool

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I actually own a Seca II which is 600cc. I have never ridden it, it is a very long story and not all that interesting so don't ask

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@pagrus Have you ridden motorcycles before? I guess I just have this predictable characteristic where I like everything to be just enough rather than overpowered. So I like the small bikes that are efficient and light and easy to throw around. The big bikes with big motors are just so...big and heavy they really don't feel nearly as maneuverable and fun to me.

@kelbot @pagrus My rule was that I didn't want a bike I couldn't pick up if I happened to lay it down.

... I have only ever ridden a moped.

(Not that that's all I could pick up, more that I have no idea why I had this rule.)

@gamehawk @kelbot I think that's not necessarily a bad rule, but I can pick any bike up with a ratchet strap

@gamehawk @kelbot I think my brain leapfrogged the joke where you can pick any bike up with a lever and the right fulcrum

@pagrus @kelbot If I were to end up laying a big bike down though, I sorta doubt I'm going to be picking *me* back up much less the bike, so

@pagrus @gamehawk The biggest bike I've had was 500cc and it had plenty of oomph for getting out of sticky situations. 650 is the largest I would ever consider for myself but would prefer 500 or smaller. Much slimmer pickins in that range these days though.

Just my feelings on motorcycles not a recommendation for anyone else. I'm not a big person but I think I'd could pick up a pretty large bike if I had to. The weight while riding is more my concern.

@pagrus @gamehawk Actually, I had a 400cc that still had plenty of oomph too. I've also ridden a lot of mopeds. Had a number of 50cc mopeds and my favorite was the Honda MB-5 I had. 50cc but with a 5 speed transmission. That thing was light, comfortable could go nearly 55mph and got 100mpg. Loved it.

@kelbot @pagrus My moped, and this would be the late seventies, was a Garelli 49cc single speed, because that was the most that qualified as a moped in Indiana at the time. Kick start, with the bike pedals. Still can't believe my parents bought it, doubly can't believe they let us ride without a helmet. Sis ended up with a concussion and that was the end of it.

@gamehawk @kelbot dang hope sis is ok now. 50ccs is more than enough to cause head trauma

@pagrus @kelbot She was (we were not allowed to double up). Was trying to beat a storm home, got something in her eye, couldn't get it with one hand, decided to hold the throttle with the opposite hand, isn't sure what happened but ended up with hands back on correct grips but hanging off the back of the bike, belly down on the seat. Couldn't reach the brakes, couldn't release the throttle, decided letting go was the correct solution.

@pagrus That is, of course, a reconstruction from someone who hit her head on the pavement immediately thereafter (not too seriously, but enough to scare my parents into getting rid of the thing; she would have been 13-14 since I was sufficiently distracted by getting my learners permit to not object as much as I otherwise might have).

@gamehawk @pagrus Yikes! Isn't it wild how parents in the 70s and 80s just acted like safety was this completely foreign concept? Helmets? What good are those?

When I was really young my grandparents had a little yamaha moped and my older (but probably not old enough) cousin ran it into the neighbors garage door X-).

@kelbot @pagrus I mean the first thing my sister did when we took it out to the local elementary school was fail to make the curve around the bus loop, ride it up a berm, and fall over. I am guessing Mom wasn't there or the thing would have gone back to the dealer. And Dad went to his grave with a burn scar on his leg from the muffler.

Not sure this was exactly what we had but it pretty much matches my memory:

@kelbot @pagrus Or mayyyyybe this guy, I remember it having an oversized saddle but also might remember it having the visible cargo bracket.

I also vaguely remember it saying Moto Guzzi on it somewhere but duckducking does not bring up anything helpful there.

@gamehawk @pagrus That's a beautiful machine. Oh dear moped army. I was a regular around those forums for a period of my life :). There is a short documentary about moped culture I found years back that was great.

@gamehawk @pagrus Part of the documentary was following this one fella that had a moped and would ride with the local group, it broke down then he started riding a bicycle because he couldn't afford to get it fixed or get a new one. They checked in on him again later in the documentary and he had this emotional line that still cracks me up. *talking about how he misses his moped* "Every time I hear a weed wacker my heart breaks." :0120:

@kelbot @pagrus Also my mother once looked at what it took to buckle the kid's baby seat in (our vehicles were juuuuust too old for the LATCH things that made it much easier) and said "we thought we were overcautious by getting rear-seat seat belts so we could strap your bassinet down. How did people your age survive?"

Me: "A lot of us didn't! It's called 'survivor bias,' Mom!"

@gamehawk @pagrus LOL. Seriously, what was it about that time? Was it just that these modes of transport were still new enough that culture hadn't had to deal with them and figure that out yet?

@kelbot @pagrus I read once that the eradication of a lot of deadly childhood diseases kinda made everybody go "ooh, hey, you know what, we could actually expect nearly all our kids to survive to adulthood if we also fixed some safety stuff that we've been kinda ignoring because we just took kids dying for granted." Took a generation or so (and the resulting statistics) for that realization to really take hold.

@kelbot I have ridden motorcycles, although my experience is pretty limited. I agree with you in principle but I think in this case it's always batter to have a little extra oomph that you might never need than to need it and come up short. At least in this city

@kelbot And I regularly ride a Zuma, which is 125cc and great in the city. Not so good for getting over bridges or road trips though

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